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05 April 2018

Spotify’s Direct Listing

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Myth Buster· 1

Myth Buster33:30

Busting the Myth of Spotify's 'Clever' Name

The real, accidental origin of the Spotify name versus the retroactive 'spot + identify' marketing story.

  • The name came from Daniel mishearing a shouted suggestion from co-founder Martin
  • The 'spot' + 'identify' portmanteau explanation was invented after the fact
  • Compared to eBay's similarly retconned brand origin story

“Martin shouts something, uh, and Daniel mishears it as Spotify and uh immediately googles it, realizes that the domain name is available and thus Spotify.”

33:30

“They later, they later try and justify it as like, well, it's a mashup of spot and identify, but no, that's that's not what happened.”

34:00
#branding#company naming#Spotify trivia

Hot Take· 2

Hot Take1:15:00

The Bear Case: Why Skeptics Call Spotify a 'Terrible Business'

The hosts lay out the skeptical view that Spotify has almost no leverage over its supplier labels, thanks to revenue share and most-favored-nations clauses.

  • Labels take roughly 70% of Spotify's revenue
  • A most-favored-nations clause forces uniform terms across major labels
  • Spotify has essentially the same catalog as Apple Music, limiting differentiation

“it's a terrible freaking business. They're always the suppliers have all the leverage.”

1:15:00

“there's a most favored nations clause in the uh in their um agreements where uh basically for Spotify to get a better rate, they have…”

1:15:30
#bear case#record labels#most favored nations clause
Hot Take1:35:00

Is Spotify Really Worth $30 Billion?

The hosts debate whether Spotify's opening-day valuation is justified given its cash flow multiple and unclear total addressable market growth.

  • The $30B valuation implies roughly 100x projected operating cash flow
  • Requires belief in significant future growth, margin improvement, or new revenue lines (tickets, video, podcasts)
  • Hosts personally question whether most likely subscribers are already subscribed

“it's kind of hard for me to believe that Spotify is worth 30 billion dollars.”

1:35:00

“you are assuming, you know, so much growth that you're willing to pay a hundred times the cash flow”

1:36:00
#valuation#cash flow multiple#TAM

Explainer· 3

Explainer05:00

What Is a Direct Listing vs. an IPO?

Breaks down the structural differences between a direct public offering and a traditional IPO: dilution, new share creation, lockups, and insider information asymmetry.

  • IPOs create liquidity for shareholders AND raise new capital via newly issued, diluted shares
  • DPOs only provide liquidity; no new shares are created, no dilution, no capital raised
  • No lockup period exists in a direct listing
  • Buyers face counterparty risk from more-informed insider sellers on every trade

“The the biggest difference is the company doesn't take any dilution.”

05:00

“With a DPO, a company doesn't take any dilution and they don't raise any money.”

05:30
#direct listing#IPO#capital markets
Explainer52:00

Spotify's Freemium Funnel: Free-to-Paid Conversion Mechanics

How Spotify tuned its free tier restrictions over time (desktop vs. mobile, shuffle-only) to drive one of the best-converting freemium models in tech.

  • Originally free only on desktop; mobile required payment
  • Later opened mobile for free but restricted to shuffle-only playback
  • Historically converted a high percentage of free users to paying premium subscribers

“From the earliest days, they had an incredibly well converting freemium model.”

52:00

“originally it was free uh to listen on desktop, uh, and then you had to pay to go mobile.”

52:00
#freemium#conversion rate#subscription business
Explainer54:30

Discover Weekly: How Spotify Turned an Experiment into a Growth Engine

The internal experimentation framework that let Spotify test algorithmic playlists quietly before promoting Discover Weekly, Release Radar, and Daily Mix into first-class product features.

  • Discover Weekly launched in 2015 as an algorithmically generated, personalized playlist
  • It began as just one option among many playlists before being promoted to a first-class home screen feature
  • Release Radar and Daily Mix followed in 2016, helping push subscribers past 40 million by year-end

“Discover Weekly playlist, uh machine learning generated, uh algorithmically generated playlist, unique to each user with new songs that they think you'll like”

54:30

“It was just one of the playlists available to you, like 70s, 80s, 90s, Discover Weekly.”

55:30
#Discover Weekly#machine learning#product experimentation

Story· 6

Story07:00

Ben & Jerry's 1984 DPO: The Original Direct Listing

The trivia story of how Ben Cohen and Jerry Greenfield funded their ice cream business via a local newspaper direct offering before eventually doing a traditional IPO.

  • Advertised ownership stakes through local newspapers at $10.50/share, minimum 12 shares
  • Raised $750,000 from 1,800 Vermont investors in 1984
  • The following year they did a traditional $5.8 million IPO with new share issuance

“So in 1984, Ben Cohen and Jerry Greenfield needed funds for their ice cream business.”

07:00

“raising only 750,000 from 1800 ice cream loving Vermonters.”

07:30
#direct listing history#Ben and Jerry's#trivia
Story10:00

From Dorm Room to Napster: The Founding Story

How Sean Fanning, Sean Parker, and Jordan Ritter built Napster out of college broadband and MP3-trading culture, and how quickly it rose and fell.

  • Napster was born from campus broadband access and MP3 file-trading culture in the late 90s
  • Sean Fanning built the front-end client after realizing there was no good interface for peer-to-peer file trading
  • Napster was sued by every major label and shut down within about two years of its founding

“Napster, uh founded in 1999 by the Seans, Sean Fanning and Sean Parker.”

10:00

“I'm gonna start coding up a front-end client um for trading files peer-to-peer on the internet. He decides to call it Napster.”

12:00
#Napster#music piracy#startup origin story
Story15:30

Sean Parker's Wild Ride: Plaxo, Facebook Pajamas, and Wirehog

Sean Parker's path from being ousted at Plaxo to talking his way into Facebook's presidency, and the secret music-sharing app Wirehog he built alongside it.

  • Parker was pushed out of Plaxo by Sequoia, fueling the infamous 'pajama pitch' story with Facebook
  • Facebook secretly co-developed Wirehog, a Napster-style music/file sharing app, alongside the core social network
  • Parker ultimately killed Wirehog, believing the industry wasn't ready and Facebook was working too well to risk lawsuits

“Sean Parker swore that when he was getting involved with Facebook, they would never go and and give Sequoia a piece of this.”

16:00

“They were working on both Facebook, the social network, and Wirehog, the music sharing network, and were going to deploy Wirehog to everyone who had…”

20:00
#Sean Parker#Facebook history#Wirehog
Story24:00

Daniel Ek: Sweden's Teenage Web Dev Wunderkind

Daniel Ek's serial-entrepreneur path through web development, eBay, virtual worlds, ad tech, and BitTorrent before founding Spotify.

  • Ek started his first company as a 13-year-old web developer and was making $50,000/month with 25 employees
  • He built and sold multiple companies (Tradera/eBay, Stardoll, Advertigo, uTorrent) before founding Spotify
  • His core insight was that both piracy and iTunes had broken user experiences for music

“Daniel, as we said, he started his first uh company in 1996 uh at the age of 13.”

24:00

“So after a couple of years, Daniel's making like $50,000 a month and has 25 employees.”

24:30
#Daniel Ek#Spotify founder#Sweden tech scene
Story38:00

The Email That Won Sean Parker a Stake in Spotify

The famous email Sean Parker sent Daniel Ek after seeing Zuckerberg react to Spotify, laying out the Facebook-driven growth playbook and winning Founders Fund a spot in the round.

  • Parker cold-emailed Ek after Zuckerberg reacted enthusiastically to a Spotify demo
  • The email predicted Spotify's Facebook-driven viral growth strategy in detail
  • Founders Fund added $15M to an already-closed funding round as a result

“Ever since Napster, I've dreamt of building a product similar to Spotify.”

39:00

“You should build this capability directly into the client using Facebook to connect to authenticate and then leveraging the viral communication channels to spread Spotify…”

41:00
#Sean Parker#Spotify#Founders Fund#Facebook Connect
Story1:19:30

The Sleeper Threat: Amazon Music Bundled Into Prime

A tangent on how Amazon Music Unlimited, bundled into Prime and defaulted on Alexa, could quietly undercut Spotify and Apple Music on price.

  • Amazon Music Unlimited is cheaper than Spotify and Apple Music and bundled with Prime
  • Alexa's default status gives Amazon a distribution advantage
  • Hosts debate whether Amazon has the right DNA to win in music as a category

“Your margin is my opportunity, even if your margin is very small.”

1:19:30

“Amazon Music Unlimited, which is what you pay for, is cheaper than Apple and Spotify, just as good.”

1:20:00
#Amazon Music#competition#bundling

Q&A· 1

Q&A1:29:00

Will Direct Listings Become the New Normal?

The hosts discuss whether Spotify's success will encourage other private companies to pursue direct listings instead of traditional IPOs.

  • Candidates need familiarity among institutional investors, not necessarily consumer brand fame
  • Late-stage private rounds from crossover funds already pre-market many companies
  • No urgent capital need and a cash-efficient model are prerequisites

“are we gonna see more direct listings? Because, you know, if this can be a shift away from the sort of um walled garden of…”

1:29:00

“You have to be known amongst the institutional investor community.”

1:32:00
#direct listing future#capital markets trends

Tool· 1

Tool45:30

Facebook F8 2011: Spotify's Overnight Viral Explosion

How the Facebook F8 keynote partnership, Open Graph, and the real-time ticker turned Spotify into an overnight viral phenomenon.

  • Zuckerberg invited Daniel Ek on stage at F8 2011 to announce the Facebook-Spotify partnership
  • Open Graph and the real-time ticker piped every song play into friends' news feeds
  • In-feed play buttons let non-users play music directly, incentivizing app installs

“During the keynote, Zuckerberg invites Daniel Eck up on stage and announces a major partnership between Facebook and Spotify.”

45:30

“So basically overnight, like I mean, literally in 24 hours, they get a million signups uh from this.”

50:30
#Facebook F8#Open Graph#viral growth

Takeaway· 1

Takeaway1:42:00

Grading Spotify's Direct Listing: A Gutsy, Successful Bet

The hosts' final grade on Spotify's decision to direct list, crediting CFO Barry McCarthy while caveating that it's still very early days.

  • Hosts grade the decision as a great, gutsy call given the company's cash position
  • Credit CFO Barry McCarthy (ex-Netflix, ex-Clinkle) for driving the direct listing strategy
  • Caveat that the grade could change depending on how the stock trades in coming weeks

“Uh sure seems like a great call. I mean, they they couldn't do nothing. They had to they had to get liquidity.”

1:42:00

“Hey, and if it does, like Barry McCarthy, the CFO is gonna be hailed as a genius.”

1:45:00
#grading#Barry McCarthy#IPO decision