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Howard Schultz03 June 2024

Starbucks (with Howard Schultz)

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The myth-busts, hot takes, explainers, and tools worth keeping.

Myth Buster· 1

Myth Buster1:01:30

Is Starbucks Overpriced? Debunking the 'Luxury Brand' Myth

Schultz pushes back on the idea that Starbucks intentionally positioned itself as a luxury brand, tying pricing instead to labor, rent, and the underlying economic model.

  • Schultz says there was never an intentional strategy to segment Starbucks as luxury
  • Pricing was driven by the underlying store economic model plus rising labor and rent costs
  • He concedes pricing has become more of a problem in the recent inflationary environment

“I think the pricing of Starbucks was directly linked to the economic model that I alluded to earlier and the rising cost of Labor rent”

Howard Schultz · 1:01:30
#pricing#brand positioning#myth

Hot Take· 1

Hot Take2:00:00

Mobile Order & Pay: Starbucks' Biggest Achilles Heel

Schultz argues the very innovation that created convenience and float also became the single biggest threat to the in-store experience.

  • Mobile order & pay now accounts for roughly a third of Starbucks orders
  • Schultz says the company failed to anticipate the technological refinements needed to prevent it from overwhelming stores
  • He would not have made mobile ordering available 24/7 on demand from the start

“it is the biggest Achilles heel for Starbucks really and it's not even a close second”

Howard Schultz · 2:00:00
#mobile app#technology#customer experience

Explainer· 2

Explainer2:12:30

Why Starbucks Never Franchised

Schultz explains the deliberate decision to keep Starbucks company-owned or joint-ventured rather than franchised, and why he thinks it was essential to protecting culture.

  • Schultz believed individual franchisees would create competing subcultures that would erode Starbucks' culture
  • This decision persisted despite capital pressure in the early years when franchising would have avoided capex
  • Starbucks instead uses joint ventures and licensed partners (e.g., in airports, Target) rather than individual franchisees
#franchising#real estate#business model
Explainer2:04:00

The $1.8 Billion Float: Starbucks as a Shadow Bank

Ben and David break down how Starbucks' gift card ecosystem effectively functions as an interest-free loan from customers, funding growth.

  • At any given time Starbucks holds roughly $1.7-1.8 billion in unspent gift card balances
  • Roughly $4 billion a year gets loaded onto gift cards
  • If Starbucks were a bank, its gift card deposits would rank in the top 10% of US banks by deposits

“about4 billion a year gets loaded onto gift cards that's unbelievable”

David Rosenthal · 2:04:00
#gift cards#float#business model#finance

Story· 9

Story06:30

Starbucks Almost Wasn't Starbucks: The Pete's Coffee Connection

Schultz reveals the little-known origin story that the original three Starbucks founders were selling Pete's Coffee under the Starbucks name before they ever roasted their own beans.

  • Three founders (Jerry Baldwin, Zev Siegl, Gordon Bowker) opened Starbucks in Pike Place Market in 1971
  • They were not roasting coffee themselves — they were reselling Pete's Coffee under the Starbucks name
  • Starbucks later acquired Pete's, then sold it back, leading to a name-swap in company histories

“when Starbucks opened in the Pike Place Market in 1971 they were using Pete's Coffee really no one knows that”

Howard Schultz · 06:30
#origin story#Pete's Coffee#founders
Story20:00

The Milan Trade Show That Changed Everything

Schultz recounts his 1983 trip to Milan, where witnessing Italy's espresso bar culture became the epiphany that led him to push Starbucks into the beverage business.

  • Schultz attended a housewares trade show in Milan in 1983 and encountered Italian espresso bars for the first time
  • He described the experience as going 'from black and white to color'
  • The founders initially rejected his push to bring the concept to Starbucks, leading him to leave and start Il Giornale

“I am all of a sudden being intercepted with the physical manifestation of one coffee bar after after another in the business that I'm supposed…”

Howard Schultz · 20:00
#epiphany#Italy#espresso#origin story
Story32:00

Bill Gates Sr. Steps In to Save the Starbucks Acquisition

A dramatic, previously undertold story of how Bill Gates' father intervened to stop a rival investor from taking over the deal that let Schultz buy Starbucks in 1987.

  • Schultz was 99 days into raising $3.8M to buy Starbucks when a rival investor tried to take the deal in cash
  • A friend introduced Schultz to Bill Gates Sr., who personally intervened with the investor
  • Gates Sr. never publicly claimed credit for saving the deal, even decades later

“Howard I'm just going to ask you two questions is everything you told me true”

Bill Gates Sr. (as recounted by Howard Schultz) · 33:00

“Howard Schultz is going to acquire Starbucks coffee company and he's never going to hear from you again”

Bill Gates Sr. (as recounted by Howard Schultz) · 34:30
#Bill Gates#fundraising#acquisition#Seattle
Story1:17:30

Rejected by Goldman Sachs: Starbucks' Small-Cap IPO

Before the celebrated 1992 IPO, Starbucks was turned away by its first-choice bank, Goldman Sachs, for being too small.

  • Goldman Sachs declined to lead the Starbucks IPO because the company was considered too small
  • Alex Brown ultimately led the offering
  • There were zero publicly traded coffee or coffeehouse comps at the time, creating a major investor-education challenge

“we got turned down by Goldman Sachs you know that”

Howard Schultz · 1:17:30
#IPO#Goldman Sachs#Wall Street#1992
Story46:30

The Sip Lid and the Trademark Starbucks Gave Away

Schultz admits two early missed opportunities: failing to secure exclusivity on the now-ubiquitous sip lid and never trademarking 'caffe latte.'

  • Standard diner cups made coffee taste bad, so Starbucks sourced a new cup and lid from International Paper
  • Starbucks never negotiated exclusivity on the sip lid design, which became a global industry standard
  • Starbucks introduced caffe latte to America but never trademarked the term (it later trademarked Frappuccino)

“Howard SCH should have said to them I want an exclusive on that lid because that lid became the standard for the world”

Howard Schultz · 46:30
#mistakes#branding#trademark#cups
Story1:24:00

The Napkin Handshake That Built a Multi-Billion Dollar Bottled Business

After Coke passed in a 30-minute meeting, Schultz and Pepsi's Craig Weatherup struck the bottled Frappuccino joint venture on a napkin.

  • Coca-Cola dismissed the pitch in under 30 minutes; Pepsi embraced it the same day
  • Schultz and Pepsi president Craig Weatherup shook hands on a 50-50 JV for bottled Frappuccino
  • An early recall (glass found in bottles) was handled by Pepsi, which took the blame and fixed it

“Craig weatherup and I on a napkin I swear shook hands and created a multi-billion doll business for Pepsi and Starbucks”

Howard Schultz · 1:24:00
#Frappuccino#Pepsi#partnerships#CPG
Story1:33:00

Japan's Opening Day: 'Double Tall Latte' in Perfect English

Despite board resistance and a damning outside consultant's report, Starbucks' Tokyo debut in 1996 became an instant phenomenon.

  • The board was resistant and hired a consultant whose report said Japan couldn't work (no smoking, no walking with coffee, wrong economics)
  • On opening day in Ginza, the first customer in line ordered perfectly in Starbucks' own language despite speaking no English
  • Japan grew to roughly 2,000 stores and became a proof point for global expansion

“he says double tall latte as God as my witness just like that”

Howard Schultz · 1:33:00
#Japan#international expansion#brand
Story1:57:00

Steve Jobs' Blunt Turnaround Advice: 'Fire Everyone'

During the 2008 crisis, Steve Jobs gave Schultz shockingly direct advice on his leadership team that turned out to be prophetic.

  • Jobs told Schultz to fire his entire leadership team during a walk at Apple's Infinite Loop campus
  • Schultz initially thought Jobs was joking and pushed back
  • Within six to nine months, nearly the entire team was gone, exactly as Jobs predicted

“you go back to Seattle and you fire everyone on your leadership team”

Steve Jobs (as recounted by Howard Schultz) · 1:57:00
#Steve Jobs#leadership#turnaround#2008
Story2:33:00

The Roastery: Willie Wonka as Business Strategy

Schultz describes designing Starbucks' flagship Roastery experiences by literally screening Willy Wonka for his creative team.

  • Schultz gathered his most creative people to watch Willy Wonka & the Chocolate Factory as design inspiration
  • Roasteries exist in Seattle, Chicago, New York, Tokyo, Shanghai, and Milan
  • The Milan Roastery, secured via a deal with Blackstone's John Gray, marked Starbucks' long-delayed entry into Italy

“we're going to watch a movie of course they thought I was nuts and I turn on Willie Wonka”

Howard Schultz · 2:33:00
#Roastery#brand experience#innovation

Q&A· 1

Q&A2:23:00

Addressing the Labor Union Moment

Schultz responds candidly to questions about union organizing and Starbucks' response, acknowledging mistakes while defending the company's broader record.

  • Schultz says the percentage of stores that have unionized is small relative to the whole company
  • He acknowledges mistakes in the company's response but says it's been unfairly vilified given its historical treatment of employees
  • He frames the shareholder as secondary to the 'partner in the green apron'

“very very hard to understand why Starbucks would be under assault or or just being challenged this way particularly when you had built a reputation…”

Howard Schultz · 2:23:00
#labor unions#controversy#company culture

Takeaway· 1

Takeaway3:00:00

The Founder's Dilemma: Succession and the Loss of Offensive DNA

Schultz reflects on his own succession failures and the broader risk that founder-led companies lose their entrepreneurial edge once the founder steps back.

  • Schultz admits he didn't do a good job cultivating internal talent for succession across three CEO transitions
  • He argues companies risk 'playing defense' and losing entrepreneurial DNA once a founder leaves
  • He describes Starbucks' complexity as spanning agriculture, manufacturing, retail, wholesale, JV management, and quasi-financial services simultaneously

“the worst thing that a company can do like a sports team is start playing defense because you're afraid to fail that is a disease”

Howard Schultz · 3:00:00
#succession#founder-led companies#leadership